أول شي، بخصوص موضوع الستر، فكل شخص إذا وقع في خطأ أو معصية فهو مطالب انه يستر على نفسه .. وفي الحديث النبوي الرسول -عليه السلام- يحذر من إن الشخص إذا ارتكب معصية والله ستر عليه إنه يجاهر فيها ..
انتهينا من موضوع الستر .. أما بخصوص الفتوى فأنا ما أشوف ان فيها دعوة للبنات انهم يلعبوا ويهيصوا … لأنه وبكل بساطة البنت اللعوب ما راح تنتظر فتوى من شيخ عشان تسوي عملية الترقيع هذي .. لأنها ارتكبت ماهو أعظم منها ألا وهو الزنا .. فهل تتوقع البنت اللي ما خافت ربها في موضوع الزنا، راح توقف عن عملية الترقيع عشانها ما تجوز؟
إذا نستخلص ان الفتوى هذي مالها أي علاقة في فئة البنات هذول .. ولا لها أي تشجيع تشجيع للبنات على أي فعل محرم آخر ..
طيب مين اللي بيستفيد من الفتوى هذي .. اللي أشوفه ان المستفيد الأول هو البنت اللي في لحظة ضعف من شياطين الانس زلت قدمها وفقدت عذريتها .. والمسكينة تكون تابت وندمت أشد الندم على اللي صار .. الحين البنت هذي مو حرام انها تظل محرومة من الزواج طول عمرها عشان غلطة وحدة ارتكبتها وتابت منها؟
فهنا تجي أهمية الفتوى هذي في الستر عليها ..
وبعدين لو نفكر فيها شوي .. ترى الرجّال ياما يرتكب بلاوي منيلة بستين نيلة .. وإذا جا وقت الخطبة والكلام مع أبو العروس تشوفه الملاك الطاهر .. وبعدين لا يمكن تلاقي أي شاب يقول للعروس أنا تراني والله نمت مع وحده من قبل بس إني تبت الحين !!
فليش نمشيها للشباب، وما نمشيها للبنات؟
أما سالفة استعادة عذريتهن ومفاجأة ازواجهن .. فأنا أشهد ان ما عندهم سالفة يعني ما لقوا إلا هذي يتذكروا فيها ليلة زواجهم؟!!
القرف بس
LMAO
zoooooooooz i wish i cud see ur face writing this!!!
whats wrong with u .. :p dont worry .. i mean i dont know why
but u sounded worrried!! so dont :p
all i can say is this means one thing:
- equality - i guess .. lol men and women are screwed equaly now i guess.
but no i do not support a word of what he said. specialy as a feminist this is
DIMEANING!! treating and talking bout a woman like a “stitched up” thing not to mention the negative ideas this is giving. so yeah just like u said
ITS SICK!
مادري بس يمكن وايد ناس اتعارضني على هالشي
ولكن انا ما اعترف ابدا بمفتي مصر
واهتقد انني درست فقه ودين بما يساعدني ان احكم عقلي في مثل هالمواضيع
وش هالخرابيط والحركات اللي مالها لزمة صارت الشريفة واللي مو شريفة نفس المستوى
انا اعتقد انه هذا الانسان مختل
ولو فكر ثواني قبل لا يعمم فتواه ويقول هل يرضى بنته ترقع عمرها؟؟؟؟
نو نونو نو نو
غير معقول هاللي حاصل
وبالنسبة للمقطع الاخير من الفتوى اعتقد انه هذا مرض وشي مو طبيعي وسخافة وقرف
انا ماني عارفة شللي راح يفتون بعد زيادة
ويقولون لحفظ البيوت والاسرة
اللا لزيادة الانحلال والتفسخ
I agree with you on the point of the Mufti and what he said!
But saying women are disgusting because they try to give to their men what they think might make them happy? I lived in Kuwait, and I know how many men thought! Maybe you’re different, and so are 50% of the Kuwaiti guys you know. But the men I knew were leaving their wives after 10 years and children because they were not SMALL and TIGHT any more! And then the get married to a woman from Philippines or Thailand saying that those women never go wide!!
If one of those women had a father, a brother or even someone they knew who did that, do you really blame them for trying to keep their marriage? And if the man might want that, or he asks for it, then what?
I really can’t be with you on this! Sorry man! I almost agree with everything you say and write. But not this one! It might be disgusting for you! But if it saves a marriage, or just for fun of it. It’s their business, to say! Not ours!
I was never a virgin and I never lied about it. I didn’t ever really care! I’m not a Muslim any way! And my husband is happy with what he got. So this issue is never been my problem.
These kinds of issues make me happy that I never took Islam in my life!
I had the same reaction! go have sex and dont worry about the reprecussions. Il moshkila inna its not your husband you should be worried about finding out. You don’t have sex just to stay a virgin and please a man on your wedding night (that’s stupid and retarded).. if you’re really not having sex, your doing it out of religion right? Is that supposed to be the number one thing thats supposed to stop you? but this fatwa is turning around and saying: women you should be afraid of your husbands finding out (not god). And the mufti said that this fatwa is supposed to maintain family unity… my ass!! *excuse my french* what unity is based on lies and deceit? what family is based on doubt, when the guy is always thinking of whether she really did have pre-marital sex or not…
mark my words - this is gonna bite us women in the ass!
the point I wanna stress out here more than anything is that this fatwa is reminding women all over again that the number one thing they should try to please is man and that religion is there also to satisfy man - god somehow comes in second. shameful.
Time for a woman mufti - we’re sick of all those patriarchal men who interpret religion in accordance with their fanatasies…
if he was worried about “il satr” so much he would have encouraged men to marry non-virgins… ;/ it’s such a twisted mentality I swear… it’s like…i’m so angry with this fatwa :s
what the hell !? laa he must be out of his mind to say something like this !!
i agree with you on everything you said, i also agree with cixousianpanic..
so allah is coming second in all this ? what the hell..
and im sorry nora but i dont agree a bit with what your saying, even if it saves a marriage, mosta7eel anazel nafsee lei hal mostawa just for him, its just plain sick !
KashKool,
اظن السالفه مايبيلها فتوى
البنت اللي بتسوى العمليه راح تسويها سواء في فتوى ولا مافي فتوى
وسواء البنت كانت في لحظه ضعف وتحسفت ولا سواء كانت هي انسانه …. مايحتاج ندخل في تفاصيل
وموضوع الرجال حدث ولا حرج
وفيه فرق بين الستر وبين الكذب
الستر انك تستر اي انك ماتجيب الطاري مره ثانيه
الكذب انك اذا جا الطاري تكذب وتقول لا والله ما حصل هالشي
التوبه محد يعلم عنها الا رب العالمين لا فتوى ولا مفتى ولا شيخ دين يقدر يعرف ما بداخل الشخص التايب
عموما مهما كان انا لازلت اشوف انه الفتوى مالها داعي اساسا
ولو انها طالعه من شيخ لا يمثل دوله ولا مؤسسه دينيه مثل الازهر كان هانت السالفه بس للاسف
no3ik,
well even though i sounded upset, i am not, i was just shocked, i cant belive it, even when i read it now, i am still shocked
qaweeya ya no3ik qaweeeeya
he should have not commented when asked or done anything else, but not say what he said.
allah yastir min what else he says in the future.
DB23,
tell me about it
albandry,
صح السانك والله
ترى مو اول مره يطلعون علينا بهالسوالف
مره حرم البيبسي والكولا
مره حرم اليوغا
وهذا غير اللي نسمعه ولا ندري هل هو صج او لا
هذا غير الفتوى اللي طلع فيها قبل اقل من شهر
اول شي قال انه المراءه يجوز لها انها تمسك رئاسة دوله
بعدين طلع فتوى ثانيه انه مايجوز بس يجوز انها تصير قاضيه
الله يستر من اللي جاي
Nora-Cassandra,
i have never said that women are disgusting, if i have implied that, then its my fault, its not only a problem for women, its both parties who are wrong.
If women do that to keep their husbands running off and marrying someone else, that still makes doing what they do sick, even if she is doing that to keep her husband happy. Its still her husband’s fault the he is thinking of getting married to another woman just to satisfy his sexual desires.
Arabs are not as sexually educated it as other people in the world. Being happy sexually is not just about being tight
BLaSha,
cixousianpanic,
exactly!
the problem is, he never mentioned what punishment is awaiting these women who will lie about their virginity, like everything will be OK and erased if she is a virgin “physically”
woman mufti?
i guess thats a good idea, i dont see any reason why not to have one, especially one that is aimed at woman’s issues and understands fully what woman’s rights in Islam, which is way more than what muftis talk about these days.
But i guess many religious figures are too closed minded to be open to such an idea.
S,
i really have nothing more to say check my replies above.
good for you for seeing what they do is sick and not agreeing to do such a thing for any man
khaleel,
allah yastir 3alaina 9ara7a. well i wouldnt go generalizing all egyptian muftis, even though their recent actions say otherwise….
I don’t think that any member of the clergy of official capacity should be trusted because they are employees of the state. When they issue fatwas, they do that to serve the interests of the government that pays their salaries. They act as propagandists. In this particular case, the Egyptian Mufti issued this stupid and sick fatwa not because there is a need for such a fatwa, but to divert the attention from the real issues and illnesses in Egypt. These include the widening gap between the poor and the filthy rich, unemployment, wide spread corruption, hopelessness among the youth, political oppression, and last, but no least, the attempt by Hosni Mubarak to pass the presidency to his son Jamal.
It is worth noting here that governments always use religion and A’datna wa Taqalidna to divert the attention from the real problems. I don’t know how old you guys are, but I remember back in the early eighties when Sooq Al-Manakh collapsed, the newspapers started to write about the gays in Kuwait. Naturally, the clergy were the first to denounce “those immoral misguided spoilt young men.” One of those clergymen was Ali Al-Jassar who was also head of the central bidding committee (Lajnat Al-Munaqasat Al-Markaziya). He knew what was going in Sooq Al-Manakh, but didn’t say anything about it. He knew that there was a lot of theft and violation of the trade laws being committed by very influential persons. Instead, he focused on A’datna wa Taqalidna. He was doing his as a propagandist.
As to who listens to this kind of fatwas? Well, think of a fatwa as a product. If it finds the right consumer, it will sell well.
أتوقع القضية يبغالها تفصيل شوي ..
أول شي، بخصوص موضوع الستر، فكل شخص إذا وقع في خطأ أو معصية فهو مطالب انه يستر على نفسه .. وفي الحديث النبوي الرسول -عليه السلام- يحذر من إن الشخص إذا ارتكب معصية والله ستر عليه إنه يجاهر فيها ..
انتهينا من موضوع الستر .. أما بخصوص الفتوى فأنا ما أشوف ان فيها دعوة للبنات انهم يلعبوا ويهيصوا … لأنه وبكل بساطة البنت اللعوب ما راح تنتظر فتوى من شيخ عشان تسوي عملية الترقيع هذي .. لأنها ارتكبت ماهو أعظم منها ألا وهو الزنا .. فهل تتوقع البنت اللي ما خافت ربها في موضوع الزنا، راح توقف عن عملية الترقيع عشانها ما تجوز؟
إذا نستخلص ان الفتوى هذي مالها أي علاقة في فئة البنات هذول .. ولا لها أي تشجيع تشجيع للبنات على أي فعل محرم آخر ..
طيب مين اللي بيستفيد من الفتوى هذي .. اللي أشوفه ان المستفيد الأول هو البنت اللي في لحظة ضعف من شياطين الانس زلت قدمها وفقدت عذريتها .. والمسكينة تكون تابت وندمت أشد الندم على اللي صار .. الحين البنت هذي مو حرام انها تظل محرومة من الزواج طول عمرها عشان غلطة وحدة ارتكبتها وتابت منها؟
فهنا تجي أهمية الفتوى هذي في الستر عليها ..
وبعدين لو نفكر فيها شوي .. ترى الرجّال ياما يرتكب بلاوي منيلة بستين نيلة .. وإذا جا وقت الخطبة والكلام مع أبو العروس تشوفه الملاك الطاهر .. وبعدين لا يمكن تلاقي أي شاب يقول للعروس أنا تراني والله نمت مع وحده من قبل بس إني تبت الحين !!
فليش نمشيها للشباب، وما نمشيها للبنات؟
أما سالفة استعادة عذريتهن ومفاجأة ازواجهن .. فأنا أشهد ان ما عندهم سالفة
يعني ما لقوا إلا هذي يتذكروا فيها ليلة زواجهم؟!!
القرف بس
LMAO
zoooooooooz i wish i cud see ur face writing this!!!
whats wrong with u .. :p dont worry .. i mean i dont know why
but u sounded worrried!! so dont :p
all i can say is this means one thing:
- equality - i guess .. lol men and women are screwed equaly now i guess.
but no i do not support a word of what he said. specialy as a feminist this is
DIMEANING!! treating and talking bout a woman like a “stitched up” thing not to mention the negative ideas this is giving. so yeah just like u said
ITS SICK!
god dam thats sick
مادري بس يمكن وايد ناس اتعارضني على هالشي
ولكن انا ما اعترف ابدا بمفتي مصر
واهتقد انني درست فقه ودين بما يساعدني ان احكم عقلي في مثل هالمواضيع
وش هالخرابيط والحركات اللي مالها لزمة صارت الشريفة واللي مو شريفة نفس المستوى
انا اعتقد انه هذا الانسان مختل
ولو فكر ثواني قبل لا يعمم فتواه ويقول هل يرضى بنته ترقع عمرها؟؟؟؟
نو نونو نو نو
غير معقول هاللي حاصل
وبالنسبة للمقطع الاخير من الفتوى اعتقد انه هذا مرض وشي مو طبيعي وسخافة وقرف
انا ماني عارفة شللي راح يفتون بعد زيادة
ويقولون لحفظ البيوت والاسرة
اللا لزيادة الانحلال والتفسخ
اللهم ثبتنا على دينك
I agree with you on the point of the Mufti and what he said!
But saying women are disgusting because they try to give to their men what they think might make them happy? I lived in Kuwait, and I know how many men thought! Maybe you’re different, and so are 50% of the Kuwaiti guys you know. But the men I knew were leaving their wives after 10 years and children because they were not SMALL and TIGHT any more! And then the get married to a woman from Philippines or Thailand saying that those women never go wide!!
If one of those women had a father, a brother or even someone they knew who did that, do you really blame them for trying to keep their marriage? And if the man might want that, or he asks for it, then what?
I really can’t be with you on this! Sorry man! I almost agree with everything you say and write. But not this one! It might be disgusting for you! But if it saves a marriage, or just for fun of it. It’s their business, to say! Not ours!
I was never a virgin and I never lied about it. I didn’t ever really care! I’m not a Muslim any way! And my husband is happy with what he got. So this issue is never been my problem.
These kinds of issues make me happy that I never took Islam in my life!
hahahahahhahahahaaaaaaa
:/ god what are they doing with all their fatwas!
I had the same reaction! go have sex and dont worry about the reprecussions. Il moshkila inna its not your husband you should be worried about finding out. You don’t have sex just to stay a virgin and please a man on your wedding night (that’s stupid and retarded).. if you’re really not having sex, your doing it out of religion right? Is that supposed to be the number one thing thats supposed to stop you? but this fatwa is turning around and saying: women you should be afraid of your husbands finding out (not god). And the mufti said that this fatwa is supposed to maintain family unity… my ass!! *excuse my french* what unity is based on lies and deceit? what family is based on doubt, when the guy is always thinking of whether she really did have pre-marital sex or not…
mark my words - this is gonna bite us women in the ass!
the point I wanna stress out here more than anything is that this fatwa is reminding women all over again that the number one thing they should try to please is man and that religion is there also to satisfy man - god somehow comes in second. shameful.
yazeed I’m spamming your comments page ;D
Time for a woman mufti - we’re sick of all those patriarchal men who interpret religion in accordance with their fanatasies…
if he was worried about “il satr” so much he would have encouraged men to marry non-virgins… ;/ it’s such a twisted mentality I swear… it’s like…i’m so angry with this fatwa :s
what the hell !? laa he must be out of his mind to say something like this !!
i agree with you on everything you said, i also agree with cixousianpanic..
so allah is coming second in all this ? what the hell..
and im sorry nora but i dont agree a bit with what your saying, even if it saves a marriage, mosta7eel anazel nafsee lei hal mostawa just for him, its just plain sick !
I agree with you yazeed, and that’s why I don’t trust very much the fatwas from Alazhar or egyptian scholars. They say something really weird.
KashKool,
اظن السالفه مايبيلها فتوى
البنت اللي بتسوى العمليه راح تسويها سواء في فتوى ولا مافي فتوى
وسواء البنت كانت في لحظه ضعف وتحسفت ولا سواء كانت هي انسانه …. مايحتاج ندخل في تفاصيل
وموضوع الرجال حدث ولا حرج
وفيه فرق بين الستر وبين الكذب
الستر انك تستر اي انك ماتجيب الطاري مره ثانيه
الكذب انك اذا جا الطاري تكذب وتقول لا والله ما حصل هالشي
التوبه محد يعلم عنها الا رب العالمين لا فتوى ولا مفتى ولا شيخ دين يقدر يعرف ما بداخل الشخص التايب
عموما مهما كان انا لازلت اشوف انه الفتوى مالها داعي اساسا
ولو انها طالعه من شيخ لا يمثل دوله ولا مؤسسه دينيه مثل الازهر كان هانت السالفه بس للاسف
no3ik,
well even though i sounded upset, i am not, i was just shocked, i cant belive it, even when i read it now, i am still shocked
qaweeya ya no3ik qaweeeeya
he should have not commented when asked or done anything else, but not say what he said.
allah yastir min what else he says in the future.
DB23,
tell me about it
albandry,
صح السانك والله
ترى مو اول مره يطلعون علينا بهالسوالف
مره حرم البيبسي والكولا
مره حرم اليوغا
وهذا غير اللي نسمعه ولا ندري هل هو صج او لا
هذا غير الفتوى اللي طلع فيها قبل اقل من شهر
اول شي قال انه المراءه يجوز لها انها تمسك رئاسة دوله
بعدين طلع فتوى ثانيه انه مايجوز بس يجوز انها تصير قاضيه
الله يستر من اللي جاي
Nora-Cassandra,
i have never said that women are disgusting, if i have implied that, then its my fault, its not only a problem for women, its both parties who are wrong.
If women do that to keep their husbands running off and marrying someone else, that still makes doing what they do sick, even if she is doing that to keep her husband happy. Its still her husband’s fault the he is thinking of getting married to another woman just to satisfy his sexual desires.
Arabs are not as sexually educated it as other people in the world. Being happy sexually is not just about being tight
BLaSha,
cixousianpanic,
exactly!
the problem is, he never mentioned what punishment is awaiting these women who will lie about their virginity, like everything will be OK and erased if she is a virgin “physically”
woman mufti?
i guess thats a good idea, i dont see any reason why not to have one, especially one that is aimed at woman’s issues and understands fully what woman’s rights in Islam, which is way more than what muftis talk about these days.
But i guess many religious figures are too closed minded to be open to such an idea.
S,
check my replies above.
i really have nothing more to say
good for you for seeing what they do is sick and not agreeing to do such a thing for any man
khaleel,
allah yastir 3alaina 9ara7a. well i wouldnt go generalizing all egyptian muftis, even though their recent actions say otherwise….
I don’t think that any member of the clergy of official capacity should be trusted because they are employees of the state. When they issue fatwas, they do that to serve the interests of the government that pays their salaries. They act as propagandists. In this particular case, the Egyptian Mufti issued this stupid and sick fatwa not because there is a need for such a fatwa, but to divert the attention from the real issues and illnesses in Egypt. These include the widening gap between the poor and the filthy rich, unemployment, wide spread corruption, hopelessness among the youth, political oppression, and last, but no least, the attempt by Hosni Mubarak to pass the presidency to his son Jamal.
It is worth noting here that governments always use religion and A’datna wa Taqalidna to divert the attention from the real problems. I don’t know how old you guys are, but I remember back in the early eighties when Sooq Al-Manakh collapsed, the newspapers started to write about the gays in Kuwait. Naturally, the clergy were the first to denounce “those immoral misguided spoilt young men.” One of those clergymen was Ali Al-Jassar who was also head of the central bidding committee (Lajnat Al-Munaqasat Al-Markaziya). He knew what was going in Sooq Al-Manakh, but didn’t say anything about it. He knew that there was a lot of theft and violation of the trade laws being committed by very influential persons. Instead, he focused on A’datna wa Taqalidna. He was doing his as a propagandist.
As to who listens to this kind of fatwas? Well, think of a fatwa as a product. If it finds the right consumer, it will sell well.
Oh the humanity
Where do they get these fatawez from? From their asses I assume.
HOLY SHYTE!! :shock::shock:
gonna link this to my mama..!!